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13 years ago
How do I put this in the custom section?
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- angel
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801 2515 1650
13 years ago
Type should be "Custom". Is it really a custom?
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13 years ago
Well its a limited run of 1 offs hand made by the sucklord. So I'd say yes. Shall we see what the general consensus is?
http://toysrevil.blogspot.com/2010/07/custom-bootleg-release-spray-2-v2-by.html -
13 years ago
custom? that's a tough one. i have 1. i consider it a one off but there are a couple similar. im stumped
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13 years ago
I wouldn't say it's a custom. It's an original figure by Sucklord, not something he customized.
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- angel
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801 2515 1650
13 years ago
I don't think it's a custom, really.
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13 years ago
Not a custom.
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13 years ago
A custom would be anything that used another figure as a platform imo and not officially released through the original creator as part of an official series or exclusive release.
Are the legs/body re-casted from R2-D2? If so, then this would be a custom.
"Mashups" are customs too. -
13 years ago
BTW how does he get away with his "bootleg" ways, its his charm but its an interesting standpoint.
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13 years ago
If so, than a half of KAWS figures would be "customs", because he uses well-known characters and adds to them his trademark bones and Xs.
In my opinion, custom is a figure which is altered in some way – painted upon, form modified, but which has an original base of another figure.
If the base sculpt is casted by artist, than it's not a custom anymore, even if the sculpt uses parts of another figure. -
13 years ago
This is where we are getting close to intellectual property law and to what extent is considered a violation of it.
KAWS creates original sculpts with the form language of famous characters he reworks, not recasting pre-made figures and adding/subtracting parts.
Sucklord does alter his figures, he recasts them; he buys a figure, recasts it, adds a few parts and sells it as his own.
Silicone legs, resin body with a spray cap he bought from a store. This is a "mashup" custom or is it "ART"?! -
13 years ago
In my view, KAWS' original sculpts are no more "original" than Sucklord's figures.
Seriously, how "original" are Kaws Chum (Michelin man), JPP (Japanese police Pipo), or his latest Pinocchio and Jiminy Cricket? The only alterations on these figures are his trademark X eyes/hands and skull.
So why KAWS' figures are called originals, while Sucklord's are "mashups"? -
13 years ago
KAWS may use the characters as inspiration but he is producing his own re-interpreted of that character. He draws it from scratch using the form language. If you look closely, the forms of each KAWS character changes from the original beyond the X eyes/hands and skull. Especially the sculpts.
I am not a fan of KAWS but they are re-interpretations of the original characters.
If Sucklord was drawing his creations, creating his OWN sculpts, then it would be original "re-imaginations" works. But Sucklord takes a figure, sticks it in a box and makes a mould then reproduces it.
I also love Sucklords work.
In your opinion "If the base sculpt is casted by artist, than it's not a custom anymore"
So I can take any figure, recast it and sell them under my own label I would be producing original figures? -
13 years ago
Before things get a bit too blurred, I consider anything a custom if it uses another figure as a platform, even if its recasting parts from it.
Not re-designing a character and produce an original sculpt. -
13 years ago
Sorry, but I'm still not convinced. Take a look at these two – http://bit.ly/kawschum, http://bit.ly/hasheem.
/>How different are KAWS characters from the originals? Not much.
And the list goes on and on...
So, you're basically saying – that the only difference between KAWS and Sucklord is, that KAWS draws his characters first, while Sucklord casts his figures directly?
I'm not here to bash KAWS and defend Sucklord. Also I'm not saying that recasting an original sculpt from another artist makes it your own original creation.
But that's not the case here with "Spray 2-V2". R2-D2 is a culture icon, exactly like Pinocchio, or Tweety (the latest KAWS figures). So I don't see any problem with originality of "Spray 2-V2", as well as with Sucklord's Gay Empire figures. -
13 years ago
Intellectual property law is VERY tricky in regards to "art"
Everything does change when its considered to have iconic cultural significance but Sucklord bootlegs, plain and simple, its what he does. He directly takes the parts and re-produces it, he can be charged with bootlegging.
Sucklord is fun and cheeky, I love it!
Main point:
KAWS creates original sculpts, he doesn't use another sculpt/toy as a platform. Therefore, not customising a toy.
Sucklord uses other sculpts, he doesn't create an original sculpt. Therefore, customising a toy.
In the end I think the custom section on Rotocasted should be used for individuals to showcase their own custom versions that they have made for themselves (or others). This would also go really well with the multiple copies/collection picture section if added. (I gather it is sill in the works?)
If an individual has produced "customs" to sell as "art" then it shouldn't be in the custom section and considered "self produced". -
13 years ago
Ooops looks like I started a debate and then slept through it.
I just thought it was a custom as it was a vintage r2d2 body with a spray cap stuck to it's head.
Is it weird that someone else has this in their collection, I was under the impression that every one the suck lord made was a different colour way. -
13 years ago
@CoMus Kaws original sculpts? i disagree a bit, in a big part of Kaws work he take the body of already existing characters, (is not a custom agree,) but original works? not too sure.. he re-sculpt them, yes, but i mean, if Sucklord instead of re-produce and make molds of existing pieces, he re- sculpt em to make it looks exactly the same as the original and add a bone in the head then you may think different ?...
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13 years ago
I was only trying to define the distinction of what a "custom" is, not the originality of the character design. Original sculpts only refers to competently creating a new sculpt.
Yet his designs are still different from the original character designs. You can see this on the two comparative pictures vadimt linked above. He picks up on all the important features and it looks the same but his drawings/sculpts are not 100% of the original character. Very very close! They are copies but are not traced/cloned.
I am not saying Kaws designs are original either. Its pop art and its not my thing at all. -
- angel
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381 1089 1433
13 years ago
I don't think this is a custom and I don't think Kaws' work is a custom.
Like CoMus says- it's pop art. Did Andy Warhol "customise" the Marilyn Monroe photo?
I think the sucklord's use of "bootleg" is in part directly to bypass and subvert these definitions.
maybe we should accept that not all works of art fall neatly into our categories :) -
13 years ago
LOL gotta love that last Line :P Collectors OCD wont stand for this!
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10 years ago
Should be resin not vinyl, so many tags in this library have been changed! I'll change back.
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10 years ago
Finally gets a release date! - Saturday at Cardiff Tattoo & Toy Con
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10 years ago
Cool, which stand? I need to get Jimbob one :)
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10 years ago
Dan - Unbox can make it now so have sent there exclusives to go on BigMan Toys booth ;) - See you tomorrow
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10 years ago
all over it.....
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10 years ago
do you know what the other exclusives are?
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- angel
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1881 1896 2109
10 years ago
Fucking A, Joël... Love Mintyfresh.. now we got cool the shit in Europe...
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- angel
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353 606 632
10 years ago
Thanks Jan, trying my best everyday getting the vinyl closer to home !
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- angel
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353 1738 67
10 years ago
Yes Mintyfresh is now my official dealer! Best dope around. And no customs sillyness B-)
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- angel
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154 129 400
10 years ago
This guy is pretty damned cool,you can't have too many arms! :)
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13 years ago
haha!
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- angel
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556 952 193
13 years ago
Wow, that is exceptional!
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13 years ago
And now we find out how much it costs.....
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- angel
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556 952 193
13 years ago
Hmm... available by special request. Sounds expensive.
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13 years ago
this is pure awesomeness!!!!
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13 years ago
Rock and Whoa!!
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13 years ago
this guy does amazzzing sculpts that are way way out of my price range. he's done a sam flores one that dropped my jaw. its my grail...that I will never be able to find or afford.
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- angel
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1881 1896 2109
13 years ago
Cas, I'm curious...what is that Sam Flores you're talking about?
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13 years ago
toy, i think, cas means this one... something, i adore as well...
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3377/4631289569_f6e8893ff0_o.jpg
that was the only custom, which came in my mind, when cas said, it dropped his yaw... and if he did not mean that one, then i have no idea, what else it is.... -
- angel
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1881 1896 2109
13 years ago
Dropped my jaw as well.... Whoa.... I'm shaken.
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13 years ago
^"^^ that is the one. I would do horrible things for that toy.
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13 years ago
Must Have Sam Flores Elephant Baby!!
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- angel
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556 952 193
13 years ago
My F*ing Word! I want that Flores! So, so nice!
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- angel
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154 129 400
10 years ago
Beautiful!
And thank you,Rotocasted,for introducing me to another artist! :)
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11 years ago
Anyone selling/trading this? Please email me candleboss@gmail.com
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10 years ago
Does anyone know the ratio for this one?
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- angel
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353 606 632
10 years ago
1/16
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kittenpotpie
683 67 183
10 years ago
Sold out at Comic Con by Thursday morning :-(