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14 years ago
How do I put this in the custom section?
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angel
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14 years ago
Type should be "Custom". Is it really a custom?
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14 years ago
Well its a limited run of 1 offs hand made by the sucklord. So I'd say yes. Shall we see what the general consensus is?
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14 years ago
custom? that's a tough one. i have 1. i consider it a one off but there are a couple similar. im stumped
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14 years ago
I wouldn't say it's a custom. It's an original figure by Sucklord, not something he customized.
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angel
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14 years ago
I don't think it's a custom, really.
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411 3 5
14 years ago
Not a custom.
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14 years ago
A custom would be anything that used another figure as a platform imo and not officially released through the original creator as part of an official series or exclusive release.
Are the legs/body re-casted from R2-D2? If so, then this would be a custom.
"Mashups" are customs too. -
14 years ago
BTW how does he get away with his "bootleg" ways, its his charm but its an interesting standpoint.
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14 years ago
If so, than a half of KAWS figures would be "customs", because he uses well-known characters and adds to them his trademark bones and Xs.
In my opinion, custom is a figure which is altered in some way – painted upon, form modified, but which has an original base of another figure.
If the base sculpt is casted by artist, than it's not a custom anymore, even if the sculpt uses parts of another figure. -
14 years ago
This is where we are getting close to intellectual property law and to what extent is considered a violation of it.
KAWS creates original sculpts with the form language of famous characters he reworks, not recasting pre-made figures and adding/subtracting parts.
Sucklord does alter his figures, he recasts them; he buys a figure, recasts it, adds a few parts and sells it as his own.
Silicone legs, resin body with a spray cap he bought from a store. This is a "mashup" custom or is it "ART"?! -
14 years ago
In my view, KAWS' original sculpts are no more "original" than Sucklord's figures.
Seriously, how "original" are Kaws Chum (Michelin man), JPP (Japanese police Pipo), or his latest Pinocchio and Jiminy Cricket? The only alterations on these figures are his trademark X eyes/hands and skull.
So why KAWS' figures are called originals, while Sucklord's are "mashups"? -
14 years ago
KAWS may use the characters as inspiration but he is producing his own re-interpreted of that character. He draws it from scratch using the form language. If you look closely, the forms of each KAWS character changes from the original beyond the X eyes/hands and skull. Especially the sculpts.
I am not a fan of KAWS but they are re-interpretations of the original characters.
If Sucklord was drawing his creations, creating his OWN sculpts, then it would be original "re-imaginations" works. But Sucklord takes a figure, sticks it in a box and makes a mould then reproduces it.
I also love Sucklords work.
In your opinion "If the base sculpt is casted by artist, than it's not a custom anymore"
So I can take any figure, recast it and sell them under my own label I would be producing original figures? -
14 years ago
Before things get a bit too blurred, I consider anything a custom if it uses another figure as a platform, even if its recasting parts from it.
Not re-designing a character and produce an original sculpt. -
14 years ago
Sorry, but I'm still not convinced. Take a look at these two – http://bit.ly/kawschum, http://bit.ly/hasheem.
And the list goes on and on...
So, you're basically saying – that the only difference between KAWS and Sucklord is, that KAWS draws his characters first, while Sucklord casts his figures directly?
I'm not here to bash KAWS and defend Sucklord. Also I'm not saying that recasting an original sculpt from another artist makes it your own original creation.
But that's not the case here with "Spray 2-V2". R2-D2 is a culture icon, exactly like Pinocchio, or Tweety (the latest KAWS figures). So I don't see any problem with originality of "Spray 2-V2", as well as with Sucklord's Gay Empire figures. -
14 years ago
Intellectual property law is VERY tricky in regards to "art"
Everything does change when its considered to have iconic cultural significance but Sucklord bootlegs, plain and simple, its what he does. He directly takes the parts and re-produces it, he can be charged with bootlegging.
Sucklord is fun and cheeky, I love it!
Main point:
KAWS creates original sculpts, he doesn't use another sculpt/toy as a platform. Therefore, not customising a toy.
Sucklord uses other sculpts, he doesn't create an original sculpt. Therefore, customising a toy.
In the end I think the custom section on Rotocasted should be used for individuals to showcase their own custom versions that they have made for themselves (or others). This would also go really well with the multiple copies/collection picture section if added. (I gather it is sill in the works?)
If an individual has produced "customs" to sell as "art" then it shouldn't be in the custom section and considered "self produced". -
14 years ago
Ooops looks like I started a debate and then slept through it.
I just thought it was a custom as it was a vintage r2d2 body with a spray cap stuck to it's head.
Is it weird that someone else has this in their collection, I was under the impression that every one the suck lord made was a different colour way. -
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14 years ago
@CoMus Kaws original sculpts? i disagree a bit, in a big part of Kaws work he take the body of already existing characters, (is not a custom agree,) but original works? not too sure.. he re-sculpt them, yes, but i mean, if Sucklord instead of re-produce and make molds of existing pieces, he re- sculpt em to make it looks exactly the same as the original and add a bone in the head then you may think different ?...
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14 years ago
I was only trying to define the distinction of what a "custom" is, not the originality of the character design. Original sculpts only refers to competently creating a new sculpt.
Yet his designs are still different from the original character designs. You can see this on the two comparative pictures vadimt linked above. He picks up on all the important features and it looks the same but his drawings/sculpts are not 100% of the original character. Very very close! They are copies but are not traced/cloned.
I am not saying Kaws designs are original either. Its pop art and its not my thing at all. -
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angel
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14 years ago
I don't think this is a custom and I don't think Kaws' work is a custom.
Like CoMus says- it's pop art. Did Andy Warhol "customise" the Marilyn Monroe photo?
I think the sucklord's use of "bootleg" is in part directly to bypass and subvert these definitions.
maybe we should accept that not all works of art fall neatly into our categories :) -
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14 years ago
LOL gotta love that last Line :P Collectors OCD wont stand for this!
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11 years ago
Should be resin not vinyl, so many tags in this library have been changed! I'll change back.
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14 years ago
Wow! That's how gold looks on it now?
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angel
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14 years ago
Yeah, I don't think these ever had an official release b/c of the way the gold turned to patina. Ironically, I don't often go for a straight-up gold colorway, but I LOVE the green-gold look of this figure.
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14 years ago
Yes, this golden-green Booted Glamour Cat is rad!
I still need this one and the Ultra Violet to complete my cats...
I wish Scott Musgrove would do more toys. He has so many characters with a huge potential to become amazing toys! -
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angel
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14 years ago
I completely agree with you!
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14 years ago
There was an offer a while back to send in your gold Glamour Cat and have it repainted in gold paint that wouldn’t go green. I took advantage of it and have a nice gold one now. The green/gold is nice too, except when it oozes or bleeds on you. :)
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14 years ago
They repainted the whole figure, or masked the eye, nose and mouth?
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411 3 5
14 years ago
I am a sucker for rare, unreleased stuff so when I was graciously given this, I loved the fact that it was a factory reject... LOVE IT, and all the green ooze that it comes with :-)
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13 years ago
wow, I don't have any funds now, but probably some other Musgrove fans* will be happy with my find -->
*go get it, Vadim, please be a completist for my sake :-) -
13 years ago
@amavevera
You're amazing!!! Thanks a lot! :)
I've been searching for ages for this colorway. -
13 years ago
Got my golden cat today, and I love it! Seems like it's a repainted version, because I don't have any gold-green oxidation.
Now my Booted Glamour Cats collection is complete. I got them all! :)
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249 139 18
14 years ago
Great design! I just wish it wasn't $75...
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14 years ago
I don't think we'll ever see again 8-inch dunny price drops below $75...
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249 139 18
14 years ago
Sadly I think you're right. I just hope the 3" prices stay under $10 for the near future...
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411 3 5
14 years ago
This piece is rad in person!
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8 34 3
12 years ago
Anyone got this for sale, really really want it :(
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411 3 5
12 years ago
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8 34 3
12 years ago
Wasn't sure if that was an old site, kinda hoping I could get it second hand as they were up for sale for around $80 :(
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12 years ago
Love it, but can't afford this and the green Ulligus...
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11 years ago
I am looking to trade or sell if anyone is interested!
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spankystokes
411 3 5
14 years ago
This was created for the "Not Vinyl" show at Dragatomi on May 8th, 2010, where artist Jesse Hernandez purchased it.
solya_i_asha
24 61 18
14 years ago
Great Toy!