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Damarak the Destroyer Dunny
  • lordsketch angel

    lordsketch

    381 1089 1433

    14 years ago

    hey, we just talked about all-clear dunnys the other day! cool :)

  • Vadim angel

    Vadim

    777 516 471

    14 years ago

    I really like this one.

  • thequiffisdead

    thequiffisdead

    70 47 6

    14 years ago

    Very nice. Loving the Day of the Dead (festival) influence.

  • doc18 angel

    doc18

    1593 19 280

    14 years ago

    how does one strip a transparent PVC figure?

  • thequiffisdead

    thequiffisdead

    70 47 6

    14 years ago

    Keep licking it :P

  • doc18 angel

    doc18

    1593 19 280

    14 years ago

    We can witness Will's Dunny licking skill next week? :D

  • doc18 angel

    doc18

    1593 19 280

    14 years ago

    well or if I have a dup :P

  • thequiffisdead

    thequiffisdead

    70 47 6

    14 years ago

    Now 'pulling' a toy has more than one meaning...

  • lordsketch angel

    lordsketch

    381 1089 1433

    14 years ago

    yeah, this one will probably be popular with customisers :)

    you should ask George how he did it with the UK dunny for his custom - it seemed to be a very clear stripping! :P

  • jazzydan angel

    jazzydan

    499 646 2538

    14 years ago

    I didn't realise there was going to be dunny licking at the meet up, I'll bring some dip!!

  • nonerpants

    nonerpants

    170 89 13

    14 years ago

    i have 2 of these guys for trade or sale.

  • Shellie

    Shellie

    109 5 384

    13 years ago

    I don't like mini figure series like Dunny or Qee, I've no idea why but unless one stands out they just don't do anything for me...

  • benginati513

    benginati513

    329 34 53

    13 years ago

    so what who cares !!
    "the view"

  • Shellie

    Shellie

    109 5 384

    13 years ago

    Hey sorry, I'm just saying...

  • benginati513

    benginati513

    329 34 53

    13 years ago

    prolly right

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Skull Dunny
  • monsterforge

    monsterforge

    280 124 209

    14 years ago

    Yeah, dude... it's seriously my favorite Dunny ever. It's a conversation starter... people see it and just start asking questions about it.

  • jazzydan angel

    jazzydan

    499 646 2538

    14 years ago

    Gutted I missed this one

  • yourjello angel

    yourjello

    235 215 55

    14 years ago

    This should be in the CUSTOM section, no?

  • jazzydan angel

    jazzydan

    499 646 2538

    14 years ago

    I'd say yes, but I think the mods are still trying to iron out what clearly defines a custom, and I think George made about 20 of these. See here....

    http://rotocasted.com/toy/8278/

  • monsterforge

    monsterforge

    280 124 209

    14 years ago

    Sorry... It seriously seems like everything I do here is wrong. :/

    I figured since they were wax sculpts that were molded and cast in resin in a number greater than one that they were just a low run resin toy. I was considering the cast head sculpt as the actual limited production piece.

    I think I'm going to refrain from posting anything else. I don't want to mess up the site.

  • jazzydan angel

    jazzydan

    499 646 2538

    14 years ago

    Post away, don't worry, the mods are here to tidy things up if nessecary.

    there is a friendly debate going on over what constitutes a "custom". I don't think anyone minds, just helps to know what section we should put things in.

    It's all good :)

  • monsterforge

    monsterforge

    280 124 209

    14 years ago

    Cool... I try my best to help out here with pics and info. This is honestly one of the best sites on the webbernets, and I recommend it to everyone I know who collects toys.

    I personally think a custom is a one-of-a-kind thing made using an existing toy as a platform... I can see why the Skull Dunny would be lumped in with the customs because of the use of the Dunny body. The skull, however, still makes me think more of a low run resin toy.

    I'm fine with it being in whatever section everyone decides it needs to be in... it's a GREAT figure no matter what! ;)

  • Lee

    Lee

    2 4 54

    14 years ago

    I am not really a fan of dunnys, but this is awesome. I would like one of his custom skulls, it looks even better with no body!

  • GeorgeGaspar

    GeorgeGaspar

    233 12 15

    14 years ago

    I'd like to pipe in and say this is a custom. I took someone Else's Dunny and changed and added to it, hence made it a custom. I don't think it should matter how many there are. (which by the way is now more than 20) There was no closed number of these, and more can be made if someone wants. You can contact me through the Toy Break forum.

  • CoMus angel

    CoMus

    171 468 619

    14 years ago

    As I am not an artist (I am an industrial designer) my views come from a production side. I agree with George, once a figure is used as a platform its a custom.

    I wouldn't consider it a "custom" if it was a production release by the original company, then again Mark Nagata makes many "customs" and releases them.

    I am starting to think there should be a few "custom" categories.

    BTW Welcome George :)

  • jazzydan angel

    jazzydan

    499 646 2538

    14 years ago

    Welcome to the site George, about time (joke).

    Dropped you an email about the custom dunny.

  • Lee

    Lee

    2 4 54

    14 years ago

    Great to hear the artists view. I have just ordered one of these skull dunnys, and a couple of custom skulls. Can't wait to add these to my collection.

    As for the "custom" discussion, I have submitted a few pieces to the custom section. The koibito is a one of a kind color way by the artist. I would say this is a custom.
    http://rotocasted.com/toy/8387/

    The blobpus is a one of a kind color way for an exhibition, although it is also part of a limited run of 15?
    http://rotocasted.com/toy/8421/

    I'm not sure if the eyezons are custom? They are hand painted
    and of a limited run of six.
    http://rotocasted.com/toy/839... />
    Custom? Limited run? Not sure?


  • lordsketch angel

    lordsketch

    381 1089 1433

    14 years ago

    I think Huck Gee called his limitied releases "production customs".

    to me it seems simple - if it's based on an existing toy - it's a custom. if there's more then one, it's a "production custom" or however you want to call it, but having multiples doesn't make it less of a custom.

  • Lee

    Lee

    2 4 54

    14 years ago

    makes sense!

  • Lee

    Lee

    2 4 54

    14 years ago

    Just got a couple of these from George. And a couple of stand alone skulls. Great work! Great Guy!

    Cheers George :)

  • Vadim angel

    Vadim

    777 516 471

    14 years ago

    @Lee Where did you get this dunny?

  • Lee

    Lee

    2 4 54

    14 years ago

    from George through October toys.

  • jazzydan angel

    jazzydan

    499 646 2538

    14 years ago

    Mine turned up Today, thanks George! Awesome Dunny! This will look so cool with my Drilone dunny's when they arrive :)

  • CarissaAimee

    CarissaAimee

    96 53 3

    14 years ago

    Love this! such a great idea :)

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Balloon Dunny
  • thequiffisdead

    thequiffisdead

    70 47 6

    14 years ago

    I'm really interested in this one too...especially how well it stays balanced.

  • lordsketch angel

    lordsketch

    381 1089 1433

    14 years ago

    I wonder if the string is bendy...

  • Dollztoy

    Dollztoy

    87 131 5

    14 years ago

    Great dunny!

  • nonerpants

    nonerpants

    170 89 13

    14 years ago

    i have 1 of these guys for trade or sale.

  • myKRstuff angel

    myKRstuff

    363 20 21

    14 years ago

    The string doesn't bend. It's actually a really cool dunny. I have several for sale if anyone is interested.

  • Nathan23Archer

    Nathan23Archer

    77 2675 6

    14 years ago

    my favorite of the 2010 Dunnys and one i would love to have more of

  • myKRstuff angel

    myKRstuff

    363 20 21

    14 years ago

    I have 4 duplicates of these if you are interested in purchasing them off me. Let me know! Sket Ketchup still my favorite but I do have a particular fondness for this one.

  • doc18 angel

    doc18

    1593 19 280

    14 years ago

    I am interested on cheap dups :)

  • myKRstuff angel

    myKRstuff

    363 20 21

    14 years ago

    Shipping to UK may kill the deal but let's talk anyway. Still getting used to this site - how do you Private Message someone?

  • doc18 angel

    doc18

    1593 19 280

    14 years ago

    there is no messaging on here. my email is doc18.geo[at]yahoo.com :) why would shipping kill the deal if I agree to pay for it? :)

  • myKRstuff angel

    myKRstuff

    363 20 21

    14 years ago

    Kill the deal for you, not me. Cos it will be expensive to ship 4 dunnys from US to UK - no? In any case, will shoot you an email now.

  • doc18 angel

    doc18

    1593 19 280

    14 years ago

    peeps in UK are used to the expensive shipping costs unfortunately :( I am expecting the bill for an expensive import duty to come through today too >_<

  • hu8o angel

    hu8o

    850 1828 327

    14 years ago

    Shouldn't be more than USD 10 if shipped First Class.

  • BoxingXius

    BoxingXius

    18 9 294

    13 years ago

    Have you all seen this?

    http://tomopop.com/treachery-is-afoot-the-mysterious-case-of-travis-cain-s-balloon-dunny-12035.phtml

  • sergeySafonov angel

    sergeySafonov

    804 2515 1650

    13 years ago

    Dunny makes ppl crazy.

  • jazzydan angel

    jazzydan

    499 646 2538

    13 years ago

    I have one with no string or pin :( anyone got a spare?

  • elissa_s

    elissa_s

    388 689 743

    13 years ago

    Maybe there's a bit of inspiration with that custom, but it's like a Dunny translation of his BFF figure - http://rotocasted.com/toy/4832/

  • hu8o angel

    hu8o

    850 1828 327

    13 years ago

    This is a very nice dunny! I managed to get an AP with print.

  • mrnvisible

    mrnvisible

    515 404 5

    13 years ago

    All things considered this dunny just seems to be a rip off of dunnies done by Das Mo and submitted to Kid Robot. Good thing they stole his design and let Travis Cain do it instead though.

  • DunnyAddicts

    DunnyAddicts

    444 112 128

    12 years ago

    @ Jazzydan, I got a spare, if you didn't already got one?

  • jazzydan angel

    jazzydan

    499 646 2538

    12 years ago

    Managed to find one. But thanks very much for the offer :)

  • DunnyAddicts

    DunnyAddicts

    444 112 128

    12 years ago

    Did it come out of the box without the string and pin? Or did you bought it from ebay?

  • jazzydan angel

    jazzydan

    499 646 2538

    12 years ago

    A present from someone, and I don't they realised there was supposed to a sting and pin. Don't know if it was lost by them, the seller, or me. It was a thoughtful gift though :)

  • Dj_dominator

    Dj_dominator

    14 590 17

    12 years ago

    I have only the head of it)

  • tirarosauriusrex

    tirarosauriusrex

    121 294 23

    10 years ago

    Does anybody have one of this for trade / sale?

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Sneaky Raccoon Dunny in black
  • alittlestranger angel

    alittlestranger

    72 54 10

    14 years ago

    I have one of these to swap for a knitting dunny form the same series

  • jazzydan angel

    jazzydan

    499 646 2538

    14 years ago

    Hey Holly, nice to meet you yesterday :)

  • nonerpants

    nonerpants

    170 89 13

    14 years ago

    i have 1 of these guys for trade or sale.

  • BoxingXius

    BoxingXius

    18 9 294

    13 years ago

    Mintyfresh.eu must be using a faulty currency converter cause last time I checked €7,95 did not equal $5,95. Just saying. ;)

  • Hobbes

    Hobbes

    40 12 6

    13 years ago

    Have one for trade if anyone is interested

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Spray 2-V2
  • jazzydan angel

    jazzydan

    499 646 2538

    14 years ago

    Yo shradical7, lets see a pic of yours! What colours did you get?

  • Shradical7

    Shradical7

    77 109 46

    14 years ago

    I got an iridescent looking body with pink splatters! Definitely unique and I'll get pics up in a day or so.

  • Shradical7

    Shradical7

    77 109 46

    14 years ago

    By the way, I don't actually own this piece, I selected it as "have" because I own a Spray2-V2 of a different color.

  • jazzydan angel

    jazzydan

    499 646 2538

    14 years ago

    All good man, can't wait to see yours :)

  • jazzydan angel

    jazzydan

    499 646 2538

    14 years ago

    Mine just has toy written in the description field, but could be read as 107 ;)

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Spray 2-V2
  • jazzydan angel

    jazzydan

    499 646 2538

    14 years ago

    Yo shradical7, lets see a pic of yours! What colours did you get?

  • Shradical7

    Shradical7

    77 109 46

    14 years ago

    I got an iridescent looking body with pink splatters! Definitely unique and I'll get pics up in a day or so.

  • Shradical7

    Shradical7

    77 109 46

    14 years ago

    By the way, I don't actually own this piece, I selected it as "have" because I own a Spray2-V2 of a different color.

  • jazzydan angel

    jazzydan

    499 646 2538

    14 years ago

    All good man, can't wait to see yours :)

  • jazzydan angel

    jazzydan

    499 646 2538

    14 years ago

    Mine just has toy written in the description field, but could be read as 107 ;)

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Spray 2-V2
  • jazzydan angel

    jazzydan

    499 646 2538

    14 years ago

    How do I put this in the custom section?

  • sergeySafonov angel

    sergeySafonov

    804 2515 1650

    14 years ago

    Type should be "Custom". Is it really a custom?

  • jazzydan angel

    jazzydan

    499 646 2538

    14 years ago

    Well its a limited run of 1 offs hand made by the sucklord. So I'd say yes. Shall we see what the general consensus is?

    http://toysrevil.blogspot.com/2010/07/custom-bootleg-release-spray-2-v2-by.html

  • turdhole

    turdhole

    129 102 1

    14 years ago

    custom? that's a tough one. i have 1. i consider it a one off but there are a couple similar. im stumped

  • Vadim angel

    Vadim

    777 516 471

    14 years ago

    I wouldn't say it's a custom. It's an original figure by Sucklord, not something he customized.

  • sergeySafonov angel

    sergeySafonov

    804 2515 1650

    14 years ago

    I don't think it's a custom, really.

  • spankystokes

    spankystokes

    411 3 5

    14 years ago

    Not a custom.

  • CoMus angel

    CoMus

    171 468 619

    14 years ago

    A custom would be anything that used another figure as a platform imo and not officially released through the original creator as part of an official series or exclusive release.

    Are the legs/body re-casted from R2-D2? If so, then this would be a custom.

    "Mashups" are customs too.

  • CoMus angel

    CoMus

    171 468 619

    14 years ago

    BTW how does he get away with his "bootleg" ways, its his charm but its an interesting standpoint.

  • Vadim angel

    Vadim

    777 516 471

    14 years ago

    If so, than a half of KAWS figures would be "customs", because he uses well-known characters and adds to them his trademark bones and Xs.

    In my opinion, custom is a figure which is altered in some way – painted upon, form modified, but which has an original base of another figure.
    If the base sculpt is casted by artist, than it's not a custom anymore, even if the sculpt uses parts of another figure.

  • CoMus angel

    CoMus

    171 468 619

    14 years ago

    This is where we are getting close to intellectual property law and to what extent is considered a violation of it.

    KAWS creates original sculpts with the form language of famous characters he reworks, not recasting pre-made figures and adding/subtracting parts.

    Sucklord does alter his figures, he recasts them; he buys a figure, recasts it, adds a few parts and sells it as his own.

    Silicone legs, resin body with a spray cap he bought from a store. This is a "mashup" custom or is it "ART"?!

  • Vadim angel

    Vadim

    777 516 471

    14 years ago

    In my view, KAWS' original sculpts are no more "original" than Sucklord's figures.
    Seriously, how "original" are Kaws Chum (Michelin man), JPP (Japanese police Pipo), or his latest Pinocchio and Jiminy Cricket? The only alterations on these figures are his trademark X eyes/hands and skull.

    So why KAWS' figures are called originals, while Sucklord's are "mashups"?

  • CoMus angel

    CoMus

    171 468 619

    14 years ago

    KAWS may use the characters as inspiration but he is producing his own re-interpreted of that character. He draws it from scratch using the form language. If you look closely, the forms of each KAWS character changes from the original beyond the X eyes/hands and skull. Especially the sculpts.

    I am not a fan of KAWS but they are re-interpretations of the original characters.

    If Sucklord was drawing his creations, creating his OWN sculpts, then it would be original "re-imaginations" works. But Sucklord takes a figure, sticks it in a box and makes a mould then reproduces it.

    I also love Sucklords work.

    In your opinion "If the base sculpt is casted by artist, than it's not a custom anymore"

    So I can take any figure, recast it and sell them under my own label I would be producing original figures?

  • CoMus angel

    CoMus

    171 468 619

    14 years ago

    Before things get a bit too blurred, I consider anything a custom if it uses another figure as a platform, even if its recasting parts from it.

    Not re-designing a character and produce an original sculpt.

  • Vadim angel

    Vadim

    777 516 471

  • CoMus angel

    CoMus

    171 468 619

    14 years ago

    Intellectual property law is VERY tricky in regards to "art"

    Everything does change when its considered to have iconic cultural significance but Sucklord bootlegs, plain and simple, its what he does. He directly takes the parts and re-produces it, he can be charged with bootlegging.

    Sucklord is fun and cheeky, I love it!

    Main point:

    KAWS creates original sculpts, he doesn't use another sculpt/toy as a platform. Therefore, not customising a toy.

    Sucklord uses other sculpts, he doesn't create an original sculpt. Therefore, customising a toy.

    In the end I think the custom section on Rotocasted should be used for individuals to showcase their own custom versions that they have made for themselves (or others). This would also go really well with the multiple copies/collection picture section if added. (I gather it is sill in the works?)

    If an individual has produced "customs" to sell as "art" then it shouldn't be in the custom section and considered "self produced".

  • jazzydan angel

    jazzydan

    499 646 2538

    14 years ago

    Ooops looks like I started a debate and then slept through it.

    I just thought it was a custom as it was a vintage r2d2 body with a spray cap stuck to it's head.

    Is it weird that someone else has this in their collection, I was under the impression that every one the suck lord made was a different colour way.

  • Chauskoskis

    Chauskoskis

    8 15 12

    14 years ago

    @CoMus Kaws original sculpts? i disagree a bit, in a big part of Kaws work he take the body of already existing characters, (is not a custom agree,) but original works? not too sure.. he re-sculpt them, yes, but i mean, if Sucklord instead of re-produce and make molds of existing pieces, he re- sculpt em to make it looks exactly the same as the original and add a bone in the head then you may think different ?...

  • CoMus angel

    CoMus

    171 468 619

    14 years ago

    I was only trying to define the distinction of what a "custom" is, not the originality of the character design. Original sculpts only refers to competently creating a new sculpt.

    Yet his designs are still different from the original character designs. You can see this on the two comparative pictures vadimt linked above. He picks up on all the important features and it looks the same but his drawings/sculpts are not 100% of the original character. Very very close! They are copies but are not traced/cloned.

    I am not saying Kaws designs are original either. Its pop art and its not my thing at all.

  • lordsketch angel

    lordsketch

    381 1089 1433

    14 years ago

    I don't think this is a custom and I don't think Kaws' work is a custom.
    Like CoMus says- it's pop art. Did Andy Warhol "customise" the Marilyn Monroe photo?

    I think the sucklord's use of "bootleg" is in part directly to bypass and subvert these definitions.
    maybe we should accept that not all works of art fall neatly into our categories :)

  • CoMus angel

    CoMus

    171 468 619

    14 years ago

    LOL gotta love that last Line :P Collectors OCD wont stand for this!

  • jazzydan angel

    jazzydan

    499 646 2538

    11 years ago

    Should be resin not vinyl, so many tags in this library have been changed! I'll change back.

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Spray 2-V2
  • jazzydan angel

    jazzydan

    499 646 2538

    14 years ago

    How do I put this in the custom section?

  • sergeySafonov angel

    sergeySafonov

    804 2515 1650

    14 years ago

    Type should be "Custom". Is it really a custom?

  • jazzydan angel

    jazzydan

    499 646 2538

    14 years ago

    Well its a limited run of 1 offs hand made by the sucklord. So I'd say yes. Shall we see what the general consensus is?

    http://toysrevil.blogspot.com/2010/07/custom-bootleg-release-spray-2-v2-by.html

  • turdhole

    turdhole

    129 102 1

    14 years ago

    custom? that's a tough one. i have 1. i consider it a one off but there are a couple similar. im stumped

  • Vadim angel

    Vadim

    777 516 471

    14 years ago

    I wouldn't say it's a custom. It's an original figure by Sucklord, not something he customized.

  • sergeySafonov angel

    sergeySafonov

    804 2515 1650

    14 years ago

    I don't think it's a custom, really.

  • spankystokes

    spankystokes

    411 3 5

    14 years ago

    Not a custom.

  • CoMus angel

    CoMus

    171 468 619

    14 years ago

    A custom would be anything that used another figure as a platform imo and not officially released through the original creator as part of an official series or exclusive release.

    Are the legs/body re-casted from R2-D2? If so, then this would be a custom.

    "Mashups" are customs too.

  • CoMus angel

    CoMus

    171 468 619

    14 years ago

    BTW how does he get away with his "bootleg" ways, its his charm but its an interesting standpoint.

  • Vadim angel

    Vadim

    777 516 471

    14 years ago

    If so, than a half of KAWS figures would be "customs", because he uses well-known characters and adds to them his trademark bones and Xs.

    In my opinion, custom is a figure which is altered in some way – painted upon, form modified, but which has an original base of another figure.
    If the base sculpt is casted by artist, than it's not a custom anymore, even if the sculpt uses parts of another figure.

  • CoMus angel

    CoMus

    171 468 619

    14 years ago

    This is where we are getting close to intellectual property law and to what extent is considered a violation of it.

    KAWS creates original sculpts with the form language of famous characters he reworks, not recasting pre-made figures and adding/subtracting parts.

    Sucklord does alter his figures, he recasts them; he buys a figure, recasts it, adds a few parts and sells it as his own.

    Silicone legs, resin body with a spray cap he bought from a store. This is a "mashup" custom or is it "ART"?!

  • Vadim angel

    Vadim

    777 516 471

    14 years ago

    In my view, KAWS' original sculpts are no more "original" than Sucklord's figures.
    Seriously, how "original" are Kaws Chum (Michelin man), JPP (Japanese police Pipo), or his latest Pinocchio and Jiminy Cricket? The only alterations on these figures are his trademark X eyes/hands and skull.

    So why KAWS' figures are called originals, while Sucklord's are "mashups"?

  • CoMus angel

    CoMus

    171 468 619

    14 years ago

    KAWS may use the characters as inspiration but he is producing his own re-interpreted of that character. He draws it from scratch using the form language. If you look closely, the forms of each KAWS character changes from the original beyond the X eyes/hands and skull. Especially the sculpts.

    I am not a fan of KAWS but they are re-interpretations of the original characters.

    If Sucklord was drawing his creations, creating his OWN sculpts, then it would be original "re-imaginations" works. But Sucklord takes a figure, sticks it in a box and makes a mould then reproduces it.

    I also love Sucklords work.

    In your opinion "If the base sculpt is casted by artist, than it's not a custom anymore"

    So I can take any figure, recast it and sell them under my own label I would be producing original figures?

  • CoMus angel

    CoMus

    171 468 619

    14 years ago

    Before things get a bit too blurred, I consider anything a custom if it uses another figure as a platform, even if its recasting parts from it.

    Not re-designing a character and produce an original sculpt.

  • Vadim angel

    Vadim

    777 516 471

  • CoMus angel

    CoMus

    171 468 619

    14 years ago

    Intellectual property law is VERY tricky in regards to "art"

    Everything does change when its considered to have iconic cultural significance but Sucklord bootlegs, plain and simple, its what he does. He directly takes the parts and re-produces it, he can be charged with bootlegging.

    Sucklord is fun and cheeky, I love it!

    Main point:

    KAWS creates original sculpts, he doesn't use another sculpt/toy as a platform. Therefore, not customising a toy.

    Sucklord uses other sculpts, he doesn't create an original sculpt. Therefore, customising a toy.

    In the end I think the custom section on Rotocasted should be used for individuals to showcase their own custom versions that they have made for themselves (or others). This would also go really well with the multiple copies/collection picture section if added. (I gather it is sill in the works?)

    If an individual has produced "customs" to sell as "art" then it shouldn't be in the custom section and considered "self produced".

  • jazzydan angel

    jazzydan

    499 646 2538

    14 years ago

    Ooops looks like I started a debate and then slept through it.

    I just thought it was a custom as it was a vintage r2d2 body with a spray cap stuck to it's head.

    Is it weird that someone else has this in their collection, I was under the impression that every one the suck lord made was a different colour way.

  • Chauskoskis

    Chauskoskis

    8 15 12

    14 years ago

    @CoMus Kaws original sculpts? i disagree a bit, in a big part of Kaws work he take the body of already existing characters, (is not a custom agree,) but original works? not too sure.. he re-sculpt them, yes, but i mean, if Sucklord instead of re-produce and make molds of existing pieces, he re- sculpt em to make it looks exactly the same as the original and add a bone in the head then you may think different ?...

  • CoMus angel

    CoMus

    171 468 619

    14 years ago

    I was only trying to define the distinction of what a "custom" is, not the originality of the character design. Original sculpts only refers to competently creating a new sculpt.

    Yet his designs are still different from the original character designs. You can see this on the two comparative pictures vadimt linked above. He picks up on all the important features and it looks the same but his drawings/sculpts are not 100% of the original character. Very very close! They are copies but are not traced/cloned.

    I am not saying Kaws designs are original either. Its pop art and its not my thing at all.

  • lordsketch angel

    lordsketch

    381 1089 1433

    14 years ago

    I don't think this is a custom and I don't think Kaws' work is a custom.
    Like CoMus says- it's pop art. Did Andy Warhol "customise" the Marilyn Monroe photo?

    I think the sucklord's use of "bootleg" is in part directly to bypass and subvert these definitions.
    maybe we should accept that not all works of art fall neatly into our categories :)

  • CoMus angel

    CoMus

    171 468 619

    14 years ago

    LOL gotta love that last Line :P Collectors OCD wont stand for this!

  • jazzydan angel

    jazzydan

    499 646 2538

    11 years ago

    Should be resin not vinyl, so many tags in this library have been changed! I'll change back.

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Spray 2-V2
  • jazzydan angel

    jazzydan

    499 646 2538

    14 years ago

    How do I put this in the custom section?

  • sergeySafonov angel

    sergeySafonov

    804 2515 1650

    14 years ago

    Type should be "Custom". Is it really a custom?

  • jazzydan angel

    jazzydan

    499 646 2538

    14 years ago

    Well its a limited run of 1 offs hand made by the sucklord. So I'd say yes. Shall we see what the general consensus is?

    http://toysrevil.blogspot.com/2010/07/custom-bootleg-release-spray-2-v2-by.html

  • turdhole

    turdhole

    129 102 1

    14 years ago

    custom? that's a tough one. i have 1. i consider it a one off but there are a couple similar. im stumped

  • Vadim angel

    Vadim

    777 516 471

    14 years ago

    I wouldn't say it's a custom. It's an original figure by Sucklord, not something he customized.

  • sergeySafonov angel

    sergeySafonov

    804 2515 1650

    14 years ago

    I don't think it's a custom, really.

  • spankystokes

    spankystokes

    411 3 5

    14 years ago

    Not a custom.

  • CoMus angel

    CoMus

    171 468 619

    14 years ago

    A custom would be anything that used another figure as a platform imo and not officially released through the original creator as part of an official series or exclusive release.

    Are the legs/body re-casted from R2-D2? If so, then this would be a custom.

    "Mashups" are customs too.

  • CoMus angel

    CoMus

    171 468 619

    14 years ago

    BTW how does he get away with his "bootleg" ways, its his charm but its an interesting standpoint.

  • Vadim angel

    Vadim

    777 516 471

    14 years ago

    If so, than a half of KAWS figures would be "customs", because he uses well-known characters and adds to them his trademark bones and Xs.

    In my opinion, custom is a figure which is altered in some way – painted upon, form modified, but which has an original base of another figure.
    If the base sculpt is casted by artist, than it's not a custom anymore, even if the sculpt uses parts of another figure.

  • CoMus angel

    CoMus

    171 468 619

    14 years ago

    This is where we are getting close to intellectual property law and to what extent is considered a violation of it.

    KAWS creates original sculpts with the form language of famous characters he reworks, not recasting pre-made figures and adding/subtracting parts.

    Sucklord does alter his figures, he recasts them; he buys a figure, recasts it, adds a few parts and sells it as his own.

    Silicone legs, resin body with a spray cap he bought from a store. This is a "mashup" custom or is it "ART"?!

  • Vadim angel

    Vadim

    777 516 471

    14 years ago

    In my view, KAWS' original sculpts are no more "original" than Sucklord's figures.
    Seriously, how "original" are Kaws Chum (Michelin man), JPP (Japanese police Pipo), or his latest Pinocchio and Jiminy Cricket? The only alterations on these figures are his trademark X eyes/hands and skull.

    So why KAWS' figures are called originals, while Sucklord's are "mashups"?

  • CoMus angel

    CoMus

    171 468 619

    14 years ago

    KAWS may use the characters as inspiration but he is producing his own re-interpreted of that character. He draws it from scratch using the form language. If you look closely, the forms of each KAWS character changes from the original beyond the X eyes/hands and skull. Especially the sculpts.

    I am not a fan of KAWS but they are re-interpretations of the original characters.

    If Sucklord was drawing his creations, creating his OWN sculpts, then it would be original "re-imaginations" works. But Sucklord takes a figure, sticks it in a box and makes a mould then reproduces it.

    I also love Sucklords work.

    In your opinion "If the base sculpt is casted by artist, than it's not a custom anymore"

    So I can take any figure, recast it and sell them under my own label I would be producing original figures?

  • CoMus angel

    CoMus

    171 468 619

    14 years ago

    Before things get a bit too blurred, I consider anything a custom if it uses another figure as a platform, even if its recasting parts from it.

    Not re-designing a character and produce an original sculpt.

  • Vadim angel

    Vadim

    777 516 471

  • CoMus angel

    CoMus

    171 468 619

    14 years ago

    Intellectual property law is VERY tricky in regards to "art"

    Everything does change when its considered to have iconic cultural significance but Sucklord bootlegs, plain and simple, its what he does. He directly takes the parts and re-produces it, he can be charged with bootlegging.

    Sucklord is fun and cheeky, I love it!

    Main point:

    KAWS creates original sculpts, he doesn't use another sculpt/toy as a platform. Therefore, not customising a toy.

    Sucklord uses other sculpts, he doesn't create an original sculpt. Therefore, customising a toy.

    In the end I think the custom section on Rotocasted should be used for individuals to showcase their own custom versions that they have made for themselves (or others). This would also go really well with the multiple copies/collection picture section if added. (I gather it is sill in the works?)

    If an individual has produced "customs" to sell as "art" then it shouldn't be in the custom section and considered "self produced".

  • jazzydan angel

    jazzydan

    499 646 2538

    14 years ago

    Ooops looks like I started a debate and then slept through it.

    I just thought it was a custom as it was a vintage r2d2 body with a spray cap stuck to it's head.

    Is it weird that someone else has this in their collection, I was under the impression that every one the suck lord made was a different colour way.

  • Chauskoskis

    Chauskoskis

    8 15 12

    14 years ago

    @CoMus Kaws original sculpts? i disagree a bit, in a big part of Kaws work he take the body of already existing characters, (is not a custom agree,) but original works? not too sure.. he re-sculpt them, yes, but i mean, if Sucklord instead of re-produce and make molds of existing pieces, he re- sculpt em to make it looks exactly the same as the original and add a bone in the head then you may think different ?...

  • CoMus angel

    CoMus

    171 468 619

    14 years ago

    I was only trying to define the distinction of what a "custom" is, not the originality of the character design. Original sculpts only refers to competently creating a new sculpt.

    Yet his designs are still different from the original character designs. You can see this on the two comparative pictures vadimt linked above. He picks up on all the important features and it looks the same but his drawings/sculpts are not 100% of the original character. Very very close! They are copies but are not traced/cloned.

    I am not saying Kaws designs are original either. Its pop art and its not my thing at all.

  • lordsketch angel

    lordsketch

    381 1089 1433

    14 years ago

    I don't think this is a custom and I don't think Kaws' work is a custom.
    Like CoMus says- it's pop art. Did Andy Warhol "customise" the Marilyn Monroe photo?

    I think the sucklord's use of "bootleg" is in part directly to bypass and subvert these definitions.
    maybe we should accept that not all works of art fall neatly into our categories :)

  • CoMus angel

    CoMus

    171 468 619

    14 years ago

    LOL gotta love that last Line :P Collectors OCD wont stand for this!

  • jazzydan angel

    jazzydan

    499 646 2538

    11 years ago

    Should be resin not vinyl, so many tags in this library have been changed! I'll change back.

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Sketchup
  • fragmentedm angel

    fragmentedm

    179 307 49

    14 years ago

    if anyone is interested in this, please comment. i'm open to trading or selling. thanks!

  • elissa_s

    elissa_s

    388 689 743

    14 years ago

    I read somewhere the other day about a spelling mistake on this dunny, and I've just received this in the post and found the error. It's on the squirty ear (?) - 'A unique combination of the freshest ingredients for that full OG Freshness that you EXCEPECT in a ketchup'. Shame on you Kidrobot. SHAME ON YOU!

  • bones angel

    bones

    132 689 26

    14 years ago

    Wow elissa that is some sherlock holmes shit you just pulled there! : )

    I just grabbed my dunny and checked it out. As a copywriter, I'm absolutely stunned that KR don't have the sense to pay an edit monkey a few bananas for some proofing.

  • elissa_s

    elissa_s

    388 689 743

    14 years ago

    I know, right? I love the English language, and I proof read at work (work at a printers, we print things like leaflets, letterheads, etc etc.) and I can spot a mistake a mile off. I find it ridiculous that such a big company wouldn't check it. Shows lack of professionalism tbh.

  • kado0o

    kado0o

    111 176 16

    14 years ago

    I emailed the artist and he said it was a little joke

  • Zukaty

    Zukaty

    171 76 53

    14 years ago

    nuff said ;)

  • elissa_s

    elissa_s

    388 689 743

    14 years ago

    Too right, I don't believe that that's a joke.

  • Shankweather angel

    Shankweather

    432 4 822

    14 years ago

    I'm a giant failure at everything I do, but it's OK because I was just joking.

  • Hobbes

    Hobbes

    40 12 6

    13 years ago

    I have about 3 of these for trade

  • Irit angel

    Irit

    292 166 96

    13 years ago

    Hobbes, what would like to trade for?

  • Hobbes

    Hobbes

    40 12 6

    13 years ago

    Any dunny I don't already have. As long as it's in New condition. Mine are.

  • ImAFatCat

    ImAFatCat

    129 25 10

    13 years ago

    Hobbes, do you still have another up for trade?

  • spenc

    spenc

    68 78 13

    13 years ago

    best common out of 2010

  • jazzydan angel

    jazzydan

    499 646 2538

    13 years ago

    agreed

  • woods

    woods

    99 88 12

    12 years ago

    also agreed. love it!

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